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Neither the fathers nor the boys HAVE a gun. Neither did she clean the house nor fold the clothes. I guess you are saying the above three examples are in the same category as 1. So it seems that some people see it as a chunk while others perhaps more? 둘 다 책임져야 경우 둘 중의 하나가 책임이 있는 경우 , 둘 다 책임이 없는 경우로 구분. what is the probability of not occurring either A or B. alexk "There's no Bob nor Mary in the room" sounds funny because Bob and Mary here refer to individual people. 접속사 Both A and B, either A or B, Neither A nor B. You can either wait here or go home. Aside: If you have a neither X nor Y situation, where one noun is plural and one is singular, the verb must match up with the noun that is closest to it. In formal styles, we use neither of with a singular verb when it is the subject. " This implies there are two things being considered: 1 steak and potatoes, and 2 ice cream and chocolate. Both of your parents are really nice. "There is no one named Bob nor anyone named Mary", would be perfectl. To make sense, there normally must be some other "negative" word or words in the sentence, like "not", "neither", "never", etc. The word neither is negative, so we use it with positive verbs. Thanks for your interesting query. 주어로 쓰는 경우를 집중적으로 형용사형부터 공부합니다. By the way, mathematicians and computer people often try to apply the Boolean logic usage of words like "or" and "nor" and insist that a sentence like "It is not Bob or Mary" means "it is not Bob, or it is Mary". 2 Neither George and I am responsible for the damages. And there's this example on pg154: "Neither Pete Rose, the leader in hits in major league baseball, nor Shoeless Joe Jackson, the only rookie to hit over. SOLUTION: Events A and B are mutually exclusive. we're not talking about one particular Bob, but about anyone with that name. I believe 1 and 2 of three following sentences are fine and 3 is awkward. 1 Neither George and I are responsible for the damages. Indeed if I saw it in text I was editing I would correct it, because in standard English verbs have to agree with the subject, and whether the subject here is singular or plural it is definitely not first person singular, because there is always another person or thing involved. neither knowledge or truth" Is "Neither A or B" interchangeable with "Neither A nor B"? nor" is the negation of " OR" ; hence its name " NOR" So neither A nor B means• Either …or• Bob will not help you, nor will Mary. It's kind of weird, because I've learned that "Neither A or B" is wrong. Perhaps I failed to make myself clear. There is a problem that arises when "logical" terminology intermingles with ordinary English terminology. Once again I would stress that neither my client nor I have made any approach to the company. Hi Satoru: I see what you mean, in that there is potential for confusion as a result of the fact that the verb forms for first person singular and for the plural are generally indistinguishable. Neither teacher goes to school on Saturday. The evidence shows that both are possible and equally common. Again, if I'm not mistaken I thought. In conversation and in less formal writing, people sometimes use or after neither. In a , there's been a correction and instead of the original I'm seeing an answer on SO and I feel that I'd need to post a comment to it with a relevant follow-up question. In some examples, 'neither' refers to very plural terms, so that the verb must be plural. Correct Use of Either Either is used when you are making a comparison between two ideas, and only one of the ideas will come to pass. both, either, neither — grammar chart We use both, either and neither to talk about two things or people. In the third example, either "nor" or "or" is acceptable. You might like to stay awhile and explore this beautiful region. Neither … nor• Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience. Use either and neither a singular verb. Microsoft Windows Updates uses the former, which seems wrong, to me. You say 'She ate neither meat nor fish'. She ate both the rice and the meat. Not: None of them …• I like neither maths nor physics. Both of your parents are really nice. Neither: typical errors• I can perfectly handle my problems all alone. Either … or• It's not so much a problem with two people and the attribute "tall", but in some other cases though I can't think of a good example at the moment the sentence "X and Y are Z" might be taken to imply that together X and Y have the attribute Z as if it were a statement of Boolean logic , even though they do not separately. A: Do you speak French or Spanish? Neither the father nor the boy HAS a gun. 400, have been admitted to the Hall of Fame. I'm going through the Powerscore SC Bible. Neither Bob nor Mary will help you. For Christmas one year, she even bought me the book. We use neither of before pronouns and plural countable nouns which have a determiner my, his, the before them: Neither of us went to the concert. That is why it sounded off to me. I'm curious if it's British style, because I heard that Joan, who had written the series, was British. Hopefully you will never see a stray nor again. What is the probability that neither A nor B will occur? Neither John nor Mary is tall Is the first one acceptable especially in formal writing , or should I always use the second? baik sesuatu mahupun sesuatu, tidak ani. You can often find good objective usage information on the websites of major dictionaries, as well as on our blog, of course. To be sure, the doubt is whether it is correct to use a compound subject John and Mary to talk about features that are essentially individual John is not tall and Mary is not tall. You can find them by looking up. "Steak and potatoes and ice cream and chocolate are not healthy meals. Neither John nor David could come; He can neither read nor write. Either you go out of my house or I will call the police. My mother seems to appreciate having a grammar lover in the family. You can follow her on epbure , where she tweets more about music of the mid-90s than writing. Or is 2 uncommon in the first place? Let me make my point from a different angle. You put neither in front of the first word or expression and nor in front of the second one. Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Stack Exchange! Even without the "nor" it would be funny: "There's no Bob in the room"? Don't say, for example, ' She neither ate meat nor fish'. Instead of saying 'Neither the President nor the Vice-President came', you normally say 'The President didn't come and neither did the Vice-President'. You always put neither immediately in front of the first of the words or expressions that are linked by nor. However, there's no link nor button to do that. Either … or• here "boys" is closer to the verb, so we use HAVE Neither the boys nor the father HAS a gun. I found the discrepency more concretely. Update: I don't think this question is a duplicate of. I found many examples of others quoting that sentence in which the word "nor" was used. Neither … nor• Both of them did very well in the exam. I am suggesting they are possibly regarded as in category 2. You need to speak one foreign language, either Spanish or French. Neither the father nor the boys HAVE a gun. So it's not the case that the first form should not be used, but rather that it must be used with care. We can only use either with negative verbs. I agree that the first two are correct, and, though the third one sounds awkward to me, I guess it is correct as well, however, I think that what Konrad posted isn't really in the same form as that third example. Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers. SOLUTION: Events A and B are mutually exclusive. shady14 wrote: Again, if I'm not mistaken I thought. However, in Konrad's example, "there's no link and not button" makes no sense. You might look at this page: for more information. Neither as a determiner Neither allows us to make a negative statement about two people or things at the same time. In speaking, we can use neither on its own in replies when we are referring to two things that have already been mentioned: Neither … nor We can use neither as a conjunction with nor. 400, hasbeen admitted to the Hall of Fame. Neither my cats nor my dog is black. not the one nor the other of two things or people. Neither Italy nor France got to the quarter finals last year. Neither of us knows the truth. Take a look at the link that you provided in your answer. Can either of yougive me a coin for the vending machine? the edit changed it into I'm seeing an answer on SO and I feel that I'd need to post a comment to it with a relevant follow-up question. You will not get help from Bob nor from Mary. In the first two examples, you MUST say "nor". nor In writing and formal speech, neither and nor are used for linking two words or expressions in order to make a negative statement about two people, things, qualities, or actions. Neither parent came to meet the teacher. I do not have a hard copy of the book to verify, but I suspect it was nor in the original and the "or" version is an internet mutation kinda is not a word: it is just a transcription of a pronunciation variant for "kind of". We use neither, not none, when we are talking about two people or things: Books and television are different. " This implies that four separate meals are being considered: 1 steak, 2 potatoes, 3 ice cream, 4 chocolate, which is different from the first case. shady14 wrote: "Neither Pete Rose, the leader in hits in major league baseball, nor Shoeless Joe Jackson, the only rookie to hit over. You cannot assume that the use of 'neither' determines the number of the verb. To translate what he had in terms of Bob and Mary, you would have "There is no Bob nor Mary in the room," and that definitely sounds incorrect to me. If you prefer to use a negative, then you want to use either. Got enough negatives in there for you? So it would be correct to say 'Neither the French nor the English was to blame for the 100 Years War. " The difference is that in your example, "You will not get help from Bob and not from Mary" makes sense. Purists will expect a singular verb where both elements are singular, and a plural where both are plural. Please be sure to answer the question. In conversation, people do not usually use neither and nor. Neither of them were interested in going to university. Hi, I have a question about My favorite book series, which is Harry Potter. Microsoft is actually correct on this occasion because what we have here are two things that look similar but are in fact different, although quite close in meaning. But avoid …• " and they say "yes", meaning, "it is true that it is either Bob or Mary". There were two dresses and not one of them fitted her. You can The probability that neither occur is the complement of the event that A or B occurs. You must stay and browse awhile. Either of those two dates is perfect for the wedding. I think both of them are horrible. I don't understand what "not occurring either A or B" means. 장문의 문장에 자주 등장하는 표현으로 반드시 익숙하도록 해야 합니다. Either … or• A native English speaker wouldn't see a difference between the two, except that the first sounds slightly more conversational; the meanings are otherwise identical. Neither of them should replace the other. She thought that both were lying. : Neither the father nor the boys HAVE a gun. Neither they invited me to the party norI want to go there. He must be either mad or drunk. Just as "or" is used to indicate that either of two possibilities may be true, "nor" is used to indicate that neither is true. However, in informal speaking, people often use plural verbs: Neither of my best friends was around. Unless we mean that there is no one in the room named Bob. Additionally, nor is generally not used where neither is not also used. We also use the word both with positive verbs. Use MathJax to format equations. John and Mary are not tall. here "father" is closer to the verb, so we use HAS Cheers, Brent. I am facing problem with the language. I like both cars. 이 장에서는 아주 유용하고 중요한 접속사 3가지를 공부합니다. For example, instead of saying 'The President did not come and the Vice-President did not come' you can say ' Neither the President nor the Vice-President came'. Neither … nor• A: Do you want tea or coffee? Neither window faces the sea; Neither of them could understand Italian. Neither John nor Paula can come. You can park on either side of the street. But if you use neither, then make sure your sentence does not have any other negatives preceding it. For example, consider the following two examples: "Neither steak and potatoes nor ice cream and chocolate are healthy meals. This can sound formal in speaking: Neither Brian nor his wife mentioned anything about moving house. The writer queried the presence of a plural verb in this example, believing this to be incorrect because neither, being singular, should be followed by a singular verb. Where there is one of each, he suggests avoiding the construction completely in writing, and following instinct in speech. Neither goes before singular countable nouns. Neither parent was at the meeting. Neither of the birthday cards was suitable. Neither of the tennis players had a great game. the truth conditions of " neither A nor B" are different ; in order to be true, it requires BOTH propositions to be false. Consider the following sentences:• Both Susan and Peter helped me with my report. NOT Both them• Correct " If I'm not mistaken, since both Pete Rose and Joe Jackson is singular, aren't we supposed to use "has" here? Neither … nor• 26 The complement of the event A or B has probability 1 - 0. used to introduce alternatives which are both negative. For example, they say 'He neither drinks or smokes'. I'm hoping the book made an error. They were neither sad nor disappointed with their exam results. Hello again Satoru and thank you for raising such interesting questions. Either … or• The equivalent versions of "nor" are given as "and not," "or not," and "not either. Both are correct and mean the same thing. But neither Anya nor Rainbow appears to notice. It should be: Neither Pete Rose, the leader in hits in major league baseball, nor Shoeless Joe Jackson, the only rookie to hit over. Anybody who has a definite answer. In that case, "There is no Bob nor Mary", i. An Or statement is true as soon as at least one of the conjuncts is true; a NOR statement is false as soon as one of the 2 sentences is true. When she's not diagramming sentences and reading blogs about how terribly written the Twilight series is, she edits for the Write Practice, causes trouble in Denver, and plays guitar very slowly and poorly. Yes, I think those verbs must undoubtedly be regarded as plural. Neither of the candidates is good. Liz Bureman has a more-than-healthy interest in proper grammatical structure, accurate spelling, and the underappreciated semicolon. Or you ask, "Is it Bob or Mary? It maybe that the adverb will gradually die out and we will be left with the noun group, but I think the distinction is worth maintaining for now. Hi Satoru, thanks for your comment. 3 Neither George and I is responsible for the damages. Don't put it any earlier in the sentence. You can find more articles on these kinds of topics in our. As you well know, Polly, neither Lord Byron nor I have any sense of humour. They are both busy at the moment. Neither the boys nor the father HAS a gun. However, there's no link or button to do that. Although not the subject of this blog, it appears to be the sort of issue that you address. If the two things being compared aren't easy to recognize in the structure of the sentence, you should pick the form that reads more naturally. Provide details and share your research! It connects two or more negative alternatives. In a book of this series, Professor Dumbledore says to Harry ". However, in formal writing you should always use nor. 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